. >> hold on, are you feeling that change among your supporters? >> there's change out there. no doubt about it. i think, by the way, this sounds naive, should be addressed in a nonpolitical way. i mean, my concerns is, changing an institution that quickly, just because you have six senators switching last week, polls reversing in eight, nine years, again, we have to look at the consequences of changing the institution. >> george, i want to talk about that first is, this issue is changing already. people developed this myth about 2004 that gay marriage had an effect. i was there. they had no effect on the ballot. this issue has been changing for a while. the argument to me, that this is an institution, a traditional institution for 2,000, 3,000 years, ignores the fact that the institution that, if you want to go to traditional marriage, it wasn't monogamous, women was property and they couldn't give consent. that was the traditional view of marriage for 2,000 years. marriage has evolved over the course of time. this is just another evolution. year sensitive to -- >> the decisi